Thanks for the advice. I was trying to make it look like I was trapping him with the call and not raising, he obviously didnt buy it. I learned alot from it and its sweet I did cause last night a the same tourny I got 3rd finishing with $200. not bad for a nights fun. As for the comment about hold'em tourny's at West Ed the have one every tuesday and thursday night. $25 buy in freezout. it only starts in the spring and I think goes through the summer. Its a great tourny. Check it our for anyone who in Edmonton during the week.