I have a few thoughts on your comments about how much a good player should expect to win in a 10-20 game. Lately Ive been playing a lot of hold em, maybe 30 or so hours a week. Some 10-20 some 15-30, and they have recently opened up a no limit game at the casino play in that has been fairly easy. The one thing I am finding is that although it seems the more hours you play, the more you should win, assuming you are better than yuor competition, this does not hold true for me. Althuogh I try to look at my playing as one long session, after about 10 hours or so, I go braindead without even realizing it. I start making calls I normally wouldnt make is there isnt much logic to my decisions. Often times when playing in these games for a long time I notice that there usually isnt a tremendous amuont of money on the table. I have to remind myself to look at the chips on the table and get a realistic of idea of how much more I could win even if things are going well. In some 10-20 games, if the cards are hitting I think a thousand dollar win is not out of the question, even in 4 or 5 hours. However, I think in some 10-20 games a four hundred dollar win is about all that can be taken away without really going on a big rush. But you bring up a very interesting point. Personally, I dont think there is any number that one can set to expect or hope to win in any one game, because some 10-20 games play like 5-10 games and some of them play like 20-40 games.